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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:35 am 
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why? downtown is so contaminated with feces and other bodily fluids that sixteen people have died from Hep A and hundreds have been sickened.

they've checked all the food and other possible sources of contamination and have come to the conclusion that it's the homeless population that is harboring Hep A and because they crap everywhere, they are spreading it around, mostly to themselves, but sometimes to other folks.

remember, a little bit of dried pathogenic poo can float in the air and settle onto your meal.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:43 am 
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Seattle downtown, near the courthouse, was disgusting...homeless would piss and defecate outside the doors.
Some city folks tried to power wash the sidewalks, just water. No one was hit by it as the sidewalks were cleared out.

Black councilmember said it was a racist thing to do and reminded him, and other black people, of white people hosing down blacks years ago........nevermind the FACT that no one was washed down, just the sidewalks.

Chlorine sounds good though.


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Seattle downtown, near the courthouse, was disgusting...homeless would piss and defecate outside the doors.
Some city folks tried to power wash the sidewalks, just water. No one was hit by it as the sidewalks were cleared out.

Black councilmember said it was a racist thing to do and reminded him, and other black people, of white people hosing down blacks years ago........nevermind the FACT that no one was washed down, just the sidewalks.

Chlorine sounds good though.


I had to read that twice.

:cry: , really


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:55 am 
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there are more than a few downtowns in the US that are basically filthy with feces and other things.

im sure this affects san francisco. they just quietly tolerate it out of a misplaced sense of compassion.


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The Elmo hits the flan yo.


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most of those specks are cinnamon


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fir mention.


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Seattle downtown, near the courthouse, was disgusting...homeless would piss and defecate outside the doors.
Some city folks tried to power wash the sidewalks, just water. No one was hit by it as the sidewalks were cleared out.

Black councilmember said it was a racist thing to do and reminded him, and other black people, of white people hosing down blacks years ago........nevermind the FACT that no one was washed down, just the sidewalks.

Chlorine sounds good though.


I had to read that twice.

:cry: , really



Yep....they had him on the news and he should have been in an old, senile, person's home...he fit the bill. Hard to really understand him, but, hey, the people of Seattle elected him......(and the pedo-mayor AND the socialist, etc etc etc)

Here's the link to the article.... http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/judges-complain-its-unsafe-unsanitary-outside-county-courthouse-in-seattle/

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Two King County Superior Court judges are asking for help cleaning up the courthouse at Third Avenue and James Street after they say two jurors and half a dozen employees have been assaulted.


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She and Rogers asked the county to take immediate steps to clean up the courthouse with a daily power-wash of the surrounding sidewalks, which reek of urine and excrement.


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Councilmember Larry Gossett said he didn’t like the idea of power-washing the sidewalks because it brought back images of the use of hoses against civil-rights activists.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:37 am 
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So what's the solution (and I'm not talking NaClO)?

Point at and ridicule The Libs™ for their audacity of allowing homelessness? Make homelessness illegal? Lock them up? Kill 'em all?

What would the christian thing to do be? How would jesus handle it?

I know what I'd do. I'd wager it's a lot less expensive to give junkies a known dose of purity controlled heroin than have them steal $10,000 a day worth of elmo and sell it for $100 worth of phentanol-laced smack that sends them to the ED on the taxpayer's dime. So I'd fund local health clinics, with prescription heroin, methadone, and needle exchanges, and mental health counseling. Try to provide work training and incentives for businesses who hire homeless people.

I was working at the museum on Saturday. We're right next to a soup kitchen, but mostly their "customers" don't bother us. This one woman came in mid-afternoon. Black woman, she looked mid-30s. Articulate, friendly. Smoething not quite right about her, that and she was carrying two small bags of clothes and stuff. But she spent more than an hour walking from room to room, reading every label, examining every image and item. She concluded her visit by asking a very astute question about our former mayor, an active museum volunteer whose mother was behind the landmark supreme court case about church and state re: public schools (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCollum_ ... _Education).

My impression was that she was trying desperately to be normal, for just a few minutes. It was very sad and a little inspiring at the same time. So, what? How do you help smoeone like that?

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for the homeless that have not lost their mind, we already have soup kitchens and shelters and other sorts of help. these homeless have decreased in the last few years.

what's missing is help for the homeless who won't enter a shelter and won't rejoin mainstream society. these people do not want 'help'. these are the people who cause the most issues. and the population of this sort of homeless have gone way up in the last few years. help must be forced on them. They should be inside, out of the weather. they need supervision, as they are a danger to themselves and others. you are going to have to force someone, against their insane will, into a facility designed to keep them, care for them and watch them.

Santa Clara last year approved measure A. about a billion dollars to house the homeless. It's a doondoggle gift to developers, primarily. It addresses only the former group. Nothing i've seen addresses the latter group. We are powerless in the face of the insane it appears.

In California, we often blame governor Reagan for closing down the asylums. But that doesn't really explain how the situation affects ALL states and not just CA. Regardless, it seems we need asylums for these folks who are on the streets with anti-social behavior. And then we'll be back to the problem of who gets put into the asylum and who is not.


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I know what I'd do. I'd wager it's a lot less expensive to give junkies a known dose of purity controlled heroin than have them steal $10,000 a day worth of elmo and sell it for $100 worth of phentanol-laced smack that sends them to the ED on the taxpayer's dime. So I'd fund local health clinics, with prescription heroin, methadone, and needle exchanges, and mental health counseling. Try to provide work training and incentives for businesses who hire homeless people.


This does nothing to address the health and safety problem, and is not targeted properly.

Remember that we are talking about a group of homeless that refuse to work, insist on being on the street in downtown so they can continue their predatory behavior. I'm not talking about the folks who were evicted and already executing their plan to get out of homelessness. I'm talking about the people who choose to be predatory on society permanently. Your city will literally be trashed by these people.
Giving them drugs will not stop the theft. For example, they will still steal bikes to get around just as they always have. Unless you are willing to give them absolutely everything they need, the predatory aspect is still there.

So, give them everything they need. In an asylum. Get them off of the streets. If they are going to be predatory on society, it must be on our terms, not theirs. Freedom is not a human right you are born with. Freedom comes from a contract with the rest of society. You can lose your freedom if you violate that contract.

Needle exchanges do not work. One ends up with all of those needles on the street. This is one of the worst forms of trash that they throw around them. That's not supposed to be how it works, but that is how it works.


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There used to be more ways to pluck someone out of society. State Hospitals back in the day had populations in the thousands. Grandpa ran the dairy barn at a neaby one here. The census so large that 12 hogs a week were slaughtered to sustain them.
Along side the state hospital system, there were the county poor farms but I don't know as much about how those operated, who got in, who was out.

There needs to be a way or place of last resort. The medicaid/boarding home prism has failed.

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for the homeless that have not lost their mind, we already have soup kitchens and shelters and other sorts of help. these homeless have decreased in the last few years.

what's missing is help for the homeless who won't enter a shelter and won't rejoin mainstream society. these people do not want 'help'. these are the people who cause the most issues. and the population of this sort of homeless have gone way up in the last few years. help must be forced on them. They should be inside, out of the weather. they need supervision, as they are a danger to themselves and others. you are going to have to force someone, against their insane will, into a facility designed to keep them, care for them and watch them.

Santa Clara last year approved measure A. about a billion dollars to house the homeless. It's a doondoggle gift to developers, primarily. It addresses only the former group. Nothing i've seen addresses the latter group. We are powerless in the face of the insane it appears.

In California, we often blame governor Reagan for closing down the asylums. But that doesn't really explain how the situation affects ALL states and not just CA. Regardless, it seems we need asylums for these folks who are on the streets with anti-social behavior. And then we'll be back to the problem of who gets put into the asylum and who is not.


See also deinstitutionalization. The problem is if you have psychotic people who refuse to take meds (remember many of them are vets), or those "other" people who just refuse to participate in society, you can't arrest them for being crazy or being dicks. There is no law against it. And if you do change the laws or enforce them, what then? You pay $50,000, maybe $75,000, each, to keep them in jail.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:36 pm 
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Used to be their families and Christian organizations contributed a little more towards their care. But, that was before the "nanny state" took over.

How's that working out?

Maybe taxing Christian organizations a little more is the answer. chin:

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Used to be their families contributed a little more towards their care. But, that was before the "nanny state" took over.

How's that working out?

Better than Canada.

British Columbia has roughly 1/10 the population of California. Extrapolated from the quote below, there are about 1750 drug deaths in BC this year. Most recent figures show California had 4,500 drug deaths. Thus BC's rate is roughly four times worse than California's.

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■More than 4 people a day die in B.C. from illicit drugs, coroner says

The agency says out of the 876 drug overdose deaths that have occurred in the province from January to July 2017, 706 involved the opioid fentanyl. This is a 143 per cent increase over the number of deaths occurring during the same period in 2016.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.4279165


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we passed measure A in 2016 in Santa Clara county to house the homeless.

a billion dollars for seven thousand homeless. Only three thousand of which are willing to live in a shelter.

So a billion dollars for three thousand people. Let me divide that out. Thats one third of a million dollars per person that we have COMMITTED to spend.
Ignore the fact that this money actually goes to developers.

The "we don't have money" argument is not convincing. We're spending about $83,000 per year for each chronically homeless person right now.
So any argument against criminalizing homeless that is based on how expensive it is...is not a good argument whatsoever.

There are scads of laws on the books that might be used to get the chronically homeless off of the street. First and foremost, it's not legal to camp in our public parks.
Moving them on, however, is merely a game of whack-a-mole. San Jose really screwed it's populace when it emptied out "The Jungle". Hundreds of ill folks spread out everywhere and caused widespread problems. If the Jungle had not been cleared...it flooded good this past rainy season...people would have died. The solution? Stop pushing them around. They need a place. This place needs supervision as they cannot care for themselves.

Jail is not the answer. Jail is indeed for criminals. But the criminal homeless are not served well by a jail. They need a more permanent institution.

Now if they had a facility to put these people into, they could enforce these laws without putting them in jail.

Putting a person into an institution indefinitely is not something one does lightly. You do that to prevent worse problems. Well, we've got the worse problem now. Hep A in your downtown. Better get vaccinated.

Which is another point... you'd think that a Hep A outbreak could be vaccinated against. But these folks are so far off of the grid, how do you vaccinate someone who flees?


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What's amazing to me is Cloris Leachman is not an ugly person. But this role? Good lord what a transformation.

I speak from a fairly hardened viewpoint caused by a few (just two actually) very bad local homeless people that are screwing up my local 'hood. These people have been in the courts. They have been in jail. Jail is not permanent. As soon as they get out, they go back to their bad behaviors. Which includes arson, tossing large objects through plate glass windows and exposing themselves to children in the local starbucks. It's not very tolerable.


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Neil wrote:
MacGyver wrote:
Used to be their families contributed a little more towards their care. But, that was before the "nanny state" took over.

How's that working out?

Better than Canada.

British Columbia has roughly 1/10 the population of California. Extrapolated from the quote below, there are about 1750 drug deaths in BC this year. Most recent figures show California had 4,500 drug deaths. Thus BC's rate is roughly four times worse than California's.

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■More than 4 people a day die in B.C. from illicit drugs, coroner says

The agency says out of the 876 drug overdose deaths that have occurred in the province from January to July 2017, 706 involved the opioid fentanyl. This is a 143 per cent increase over the number of deaths occurring during the same period in 2016.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.4279165


And most US of A citizens would claim Canada is more socialist and "nanny state"

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