Open Forum Refuge

Known to cause cancer in California
It is currently Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:59 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 7 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:11 am 
Offline
Vainglorious BassTurd
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:49 am
Posts: 34406
Location: The Black Lodge
I bot a roll of Prospectors yesterday from a local dealer.
The dealer offered that they had come from the same person who had sold a few rolls of pristine early 1980s libertads, including at least one in the original bank roll. They were nice. Mine are minty frosty and lustrous, the end pieces on the wrapped roll I didn't buy had beautiful blue and purple toning. Ya'll might recall I lamented I didn't need the other until they had already walked out the door. :(

Anywho, I rarely buy prospectors, because I know there are lots of fakes of these out there (smoething Perry reminded me of, he's such a sweetie). Especially 1984-dated pieces, which these are. And the fakes all seem to have proof or prooflike surfaces, too. So my spidey sense was on high already.

Here's the ketch: The fakes generally seen are the "Big E" type--those with the large Engelhard logo on the reverse. These are the flying eagle type.

Weighed them: Spot on. Perfect. 1 troy oz each.

Examined them under several lights: Look good. The design is deeply struck, not flat like the fakes. The detail is all there. And they also don't have the fakey frosted cameo proof devices seen on the bad fakes.

Rang them. Sound correct.

So I got out my digital calipers. Every example I have from 1983 through 1985, all styles, including these new questionable pieces, fit within very tight margins. Width, diameter, weight within a few grains of each other across all styles.

Image

Now Allengelhard.com shows the fakes with good write-ups. Here's a typical "proof" 1984 prospector from allengelhard.com

Image


All of the proof fakes they show are big e, too. That's not to say there aren't fake eagles out there.

Allengelhard.com also shows the real prospectors, of course. Engelhard switched from Big E to eagle in mid-1984. It's the 1984 big E that seem to be the most counterfeited. But here's where it gets interesting. Eng produced proof flying eagle prospectors in 1983 (though they weren't supposed to have switched from E to eagle until 1984). And Eng produced proof flying eagle prospectors in 1985. But there are apparently no known proof flying eagle 1984 prospectors.

So I emailed allengelhard yesterday and asked them what they thot. What other tests, including invasive, could I make. Sent them multiple huge images obverse and reverse.

Again, I'm not saying they're not fake. I'm a big boy and I buy questionable stuff because high risk = high reward and because I enjoy the thrill and the journey.

And my boy Occam would say if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck: They're fake.

But wouldn't it be cool if I found a discovery roll of proof prospectors?

Compare the detail, depth, lettering, denticals on the fake above with mine here:

Image

_________________
This has to be one of the most bigoted hate filled posts I've ever seen here. --clw54 05/20/09
He's a uninformed dumbass. --tlhoy 01/01/10
You want change in 2012? I'll give you friggin' change. --baccaruda 10/21/11
Nothing Goddy about it. Just science, bitches. --flamino 12/09/11


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 11:19 am 
Offline
Smoe old dude's fried ball sundae~4-Ever!
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:00 pm
Posts: 54590
Location: Rollo Tomassi 2814 Breaking Wind Way, Represa, CA
Did you just say.....................


.................................................."ANYWHO ????"......................................


Mods, people, good Americans, ladies and gentlemen............

Do you not think ...... I ..... should be replaced in the "COOT" list???

Image

_________________
You can skip this post in 3....2....1....Click here to skip this post


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:13 pm
Posts: 4040
Location: Oregon
Interesting for sure.
I wonder if you have smoething there?
Here's a pic I took a while back of a couple fakes here locally...
Image
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:25 pm
Posts: 34078
send them to get melted, that's the sure proof.

I got out of prospector type four years ago


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:00 pm 
Offline
Smoe old dude's fried ball sundae~4-Ever!
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:00 pm
Posts: 54590
Location: Rollo Tomassi 2814 Breaking Wind Way, Represa, CA
My ROUNDS are ALL gone.

Ceptin' for the Dansco with samples.


Attachments:
silrds2.JPG
silrds2.JPG [ 18.48 KiB | Viewed 102 times ]

_________________
You can skip this post in 3....2....1....Click here to skip this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 1:15 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:13 pm
Posts: 4040
Location: Oregon
I have a similar dansco for interesting rounds. I see you have a fake Panda in there... whistle:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:55 pm 
Offline
Smoe old dude's fried ball sundae~4-Ever!
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:00 pm
Posts: 54590
Location: Rollo Tomassi 2814 Breaking Wind Way, Represa, CA
BMatt wrote:
I have a similar dansco for interesting rounds. I see you have a fake Panda in there... whistle:


But it's a Steiff. :D

_________________
You can skip this post in 3....2....1....Click here to skip this post


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 7 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Copyright 2011, Georgia Pig Productions
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group